Musings and comments about our common interest
We have received a new lot of HP 17bII+ calculators. They are now priced at a competitive 77,90€
It is true that the sexiest financial calculator is the HP12c, but the HP17bII+ is soo much more powerful.
From the beginning: it is extremely solid. The whole back part is on hard plastic - the beautiful metal front is protected by the raised sides. Keys are big and wide, and click very well. As the machine is menu-driven, the keyboard is not as cluttered as the HP12c or some scientifica calculators'.
It comes with a protective pouch. It is build in the same way as the HP35s, but it is not as big as its scientific sibling.
The screen is two lines but one of them is reserved for the menu hotkeys. This hotkeys can be programmed through the solver application - which is a programming system in itself - and an easy one, at theat.
The menus make it a lot easier to remember how to do things. While with the HP12c you achieve things with less strokes, the HP17bII+ allows you to be able to recall most of the components of the calculation for later use.
When it comes to statistics there is no comparison between both. With the HP12c, with each data pair entry you are feeding the 5 counters (n, x sum, x2 sum, y sum, y2 sum and xy product) but the information as such is not kept. With the HP17bII+ the data is kept in a list that you can save, edit and retrieve for another moment.
Cashflows for DCF calculations are kept in both - but the HP17bII+ makes it much easier to edit them. You can also choose between individual cashflows or grouped cashflows.
The real strong point of this calculator is the solver. You can write any formula algebraically and the system will keep all the variables in the hotkeys, allowing you to solve for any of them. As you can store a lot of formulae, you can really configure the machine for your own uses. Typical formulae include Black and Scholes, trigonometric functions, break even analysis, etc.
There are a lot of scientific functions too - all except trigonometric (but think - when was the last time you used them?)
For 130€, including an excellent vinyl cover.
Please remember also to see our list of HP41c units - now there are 4 of them online.
This is a quite powerful calculator - only second to the HP42s in the Pioneer line. Arguably better than the HP35s in many respects and in particular ease of use.
We have developed a number of techniques to repair HP41c calculators. These include the corroded battery bay, corrosion on the zebras in the full-nut calculators, broken lower posts, broken upper posts and broken back case.
However, we understand that to open a calculator is quite a daring enterprise for most of us - even if we're technically minded, it doesn't mean that we're DIY-inclined.
So we offer a repair service for HP41C, CV and CX calculators. The conditions are as follows:
If you're interested, you can contact us at email@example.com , and we'll arrange shipping.
The latest battery piece is used to repair the typical corroded contacts in HP41c calculators. By far this is the most typical repair need in these calculators.
Some years ago, Diego Diaz created a foldable, adhesive circuit that could be used instead of the original cicuit. Initially, you would peel off the original circuit, remove the plastic rivets with a X-acto knife, and paste the new circuit once pre-folded. This was a fantastic solution!
This gave fantastic results - for a while. The adhesive, while strong, would give after several months of use - sometimes up to a couple of years. No matter how it pasted and pre-folded it, after a year of use the adhesive would fail and the outer part of the circuits would peel off. Good for your own calculator, but not good for somebody else's file.
So we set to find a permanent solution.
After some thinking, we addressed these failures. We decided to fix both sides with screws, with a total of 8 of them. We use also two 3D printed pieces to fix these circuit ends:
On the right you can see an exploded picture of the part before adding the circuit. This makes sure that it will never peel off! It has also tighter measures than the original, and gets secured by its shape too. We still recommend to put the back ports when closing the calculator, since it pushes the module in place.
We have just received a new batch of zebra connectors for HP41c. The compound chosen is more flexible than the previous one. The thickness has been optimized to avoid gaps in the lower part of the calculator, while keeping good pressure between both circuits when pressed together.
To do so, we have a central conductive part surrounded by two softer isolating silicone sides.
You can see it in the pictures beside.
In some cases (depending on you application and what the old zebras were) you may need or not the optional zebra holder.
The price for a pair has been lowered to 6€.
We offer two products to repair the frequent corrossion on the battery contacts. The most frequently sold is the complete assembly - it is ready to be put in the HP41c calculators as it comes. This is the version we recommend to our customers.
However, some of them are more adventurous or more daring, and that decide to go the extra mile and assemble it themselves. for them we have the naked Flex circuit.
However, I'd like to give some comments from my experience of assembling more than 60 units myself:
And you're done!
The HP41C full nut requires two zebra contacts betwen the keyboard circuit and the main processor. The original zebras seldon get destroyed, but in severe corrosion cases, the zebra connectors are also affected. Then you need to change them.
In HPmuseum.org there were several threads about alternatives for the zebras. We have done something else: we have custom-ordered a couple of zebra connectors that work for our application. The length, width and height are based on the originals.
Now, the original is two round copper cylingers joined by a plastic membrane. As we don't have this membrane, we have designed a "zebra-holder" that keeps the zebra pair in place. It is made in 3D printed nylon (with a HP printer, of all brands!). It replaces the old structure, so that it can be round the zebras to keep them firmly in place. The old structure can be removed with pliers and a little force. Be careful to avoid breaking the screw posts.
If the screw posts are damaged, broken, or the screw rotates freely in them, the required piece is a different one, the lower post repair, which replaces both the zebra holder and the screw post, and that is glued in place.
As some of you know already, my other hobby is audio. And as a frequent voyager, audio means portable audio.
We have created a couple of 3D pieces for problems that we have found in our portable devices.
We are lovers of the Stax Lambda electrostatic headphones. However, sometimes the side assembly breaks. We have designed a 3D replacement, that you can find in our audio area or in our webshop in eBay. It just plugs into the hole of the headband and allows some rotation on its axis, since it has been designed with the stem printed within the body - this you can only do with 3D printing!
This piece helps solving a problem for many users - I hope! I have found yet no other use for the "print inside" capability of the 3D printers.
For some time we have left aside the blog, due to lots of repairs and CL installations. Then comms are postponed and the urgent orders come forward
So we have not informed here that there is now the possibility of integrating a Time Module in the HP41CL. This saves the user a 120-140 € module, and a slot.
All the rest of characteristics and features of the CL are still there, while the list of included modules is continuing to grow. Also many of the modules designed by Angel Martin have been reviewed, debugged and improved.